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WONDER2005
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Pay special attention to the description at the end of the article on how to make TATP - it's IMPOSSIBLE to make on a plane while it's in-flight. It's just another bogus terror threat for Mr. Bush and the 'Party of Fear' to crow about.
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Attention, citizens of the national community: stay tuned for a HomeSec alert! A fiendish plot has been uncovered! Terrorists loyal to the sinister forces of Eastasia have been apprehended! It is another glorious victory for the homeland! All hail Oceania!
It was hard not to suffer a 1984 flashback on August 10th, when UK authorities and their rhetorical American partners claimed to have rounded up more than two dozen British Muslims accused of
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juliedacdedrw
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Great! Now that he's done pumping out his BS, perhaps he can take on the job of representing these 8 in court since he knows so much.
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SharkPaste
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The Register is a science journal and here's what else they say; 'We're told that the suspects were planning to use TATP, or triacetone triperoxide, a high explosive that supposedly can be made from common household chemicals unlikely to be caught by airport screeners. A little hair dye, drain cleaner, and paint thinner - all easily concealed in drinks bottles - and the forces of evil have effectively smuggled a deadly bomb onboard your plane.
Or at least that's what we're hearing, and loudly, through the mainstream media and its legions of so-called 'terrorism experts.' But what do these experts know about chemistry? Less than they know about lobbying for Homeland Security pork, which is what most of them do for a
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Saitou
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So you would board a plane with knowledge that somebody on the plane has these chemicals? You would be so confident of these so-called experts that you would place your life in their hands knowing that such terrorists can do you no harm? Please.
But our terrorist experts have no access to scientists, they are just assuming the outcome of mixing these chemicals. Are you kidding me? First off, we don't know the exact plan of these terrorists and what exactly they were going to use. Secondly, even if our authorities did, they certainly had expert opinions in the matter far superior to The Register.
Need I remind you of 911 and the tools used to take over these planes killing over 3000 people? I'm sure that if you asked 'experts' before the event, they would have told you this would be impossible.
About ten years or so ago, a new fad came out of people blowing up 2 liter pepsi bottles. It all started from a science television show and caught on real quick. They took a empty two liter pepsi bottle, shredded up some aluminum foil
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Euler
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911 was a super simple plan and the experts were saying so-called terrorist would use airlines as missiles. Conspiracy theory? No. Fact.
Just prior to nine-eleven, the attorney general, John Ashcroft was instructed by the FBI to stop flying civilian aircraft. Coincidence? I don't think so. Conspiracy theory? No. Fact.
Regarding this so-called plan. The first thing that popped into my mind and the thing I wrote about in this forum were questions. What were the chemicals and could they be detonated with common household devices etc.? The answer is clearly no.
Now we learn the entire plot was unfeasible and most likely another attempt by the Bush government to terrorize us just days after pro war candidate Joe Lieberman lost the Democrat primary.
But this isn't the first time. On 911 the Bush White House concocted a lie about a 'credible threat' to Air Force One. They kept this lie going for weeks. In fact it wasn't years later when the 911 report came out that we learned it was all hype. What small threat there was was simply a mistake and it was uncovered within hours. But the Bush White House felt the need to conspire and lie to Congress and the American people about this non-existent threat. Conspiracy theory? No, fact!
It appears the entire war on terror is based on one conspiracy theory after another. We were told Iraq had WMD. But, was it true? No. It was a conspiracy dreamed up by the Bush White House so it could take us to war for no reason.
We were told Iraq had ties to al-Qaeda and 911. But, was it true? No. It was a conspiracy dreamed up by the Bush White House so it could take us to war for no reason..
Again and again the Bush White House has manipulated intelligence so it could terrorize Americans. Conspiracy theory? No, fact!
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master_mind_81
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No, not fact. I don't recall anybody talking about using our planes for such a purpose before 911; it wasn't even a thought. The only thing that is a fact is that people are still sneaking things onto planes, the most recent was dynamite.
Do you mean fly these aircraft himself or to order all non-commercial air traffic to halt? This is a new one from you guys.
No, it certainly was feasible because several arrests have been made. And in contrast to all Government security departments, you posted one opinion and NOT fact. Now think about what you just posted above. If you were Bush, and wanted to create this plot to favor Lieberman, would you have not made these arrests BEFORE the election and not after? Besides the fact that many people will forget about this event long before election time and it won't change one vote.
The problem with you Democrats, Liberals and Bush haters in general is that you want instant results. You people have no patients. If we go to war, you want it to be over within a month. When arrests were made in Enron, you wanted people locked up the next week. When Bush instituted tax cuts, you people were out here complaining a month later that nothing has changed in our economy and if anything, it got worse. When Bush learned about 911, he didn't jump up and run down the halls screaming, he calmly exited the classroom.
So why don't we see how this plays out before you claim victory. Let's see if the courts find a 'conspiracy' theory be it Bush, Blair or a larger group of people. Let's see if the courts find that these people were indeed planning an attack. And if not, then toot your horn.
So now you are equating Conspiracy to caution? That's a new angle.
Here's another fact, and that is there has not been a successful attack on US soil since 911. And if you're going to call Bush a liar about WMD's in Iraq, then be prepared to call Hillarious a liar, Bill a liar, John F Kerry a liar, Al Gore a liar, because they and many other Democrats all made the same allegations about Saddam before Bush even took office. In fact, Rush Limbaugh just played a string of Democrats making these statement on Thursdays show, so perhaps he still has it on his web site somewhere for you to listen.
Now the only 'fact' about these WMD's in Iraq is that they weren't there when we got there. But to say it's a fact that Saddam destroyed them is just as silly as saying it's a fact that he had them moved to Syria. It's not a fact, it's s possibility. But here's a real fact for you revealed by your very own CNN, and that is Al-Zarqawi was in Iraq a year before we even invaded. You remember Al, don't you? The famous terrorist? Want another 'fact?' Our foreign intelligence still stands behind their findings of WMD's in Iraq even though they were not there when we went in.
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rojettafoxx
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I had read several articles mentioning that. One that stands out was in a news weekly. The author listed a number of simple ways of carrying out terror attacks and included was the idea of flying airliners into buildings.
I know he stopped flying commercial at the time but I don't think he was instructed to do so as much as he was paranoid that he'd be on a hijacked plane.
Are we talking about the New York Tunnel Plot? If we are, it didn't even make any sense. How could blowing up the tunnels flood Manhattan?
Of course they won't. Incompetence isn't illegal.
It certainly hasn't been because of the invasion of Iraq. It's been due to better intel and police work.
Well, of course they're all liars. DUH! They're p-o-l-i-t-i-c-i-a-n-s.
Probably sounding Hussein out. Saddam never had much truck with terrorism. An American invasion was a great motivator to establish a few quick links.
I'd like to see a credible source for that last one.
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Alexlevitraoo
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News Weekly is not our Representatives nor are they our security forces in Government. When it comes to magazines, articles and special reports, they have probably been saying that for years.
I'll just file that one with the '911 was planned' category along with 'There were no Jews in the WTC.' file.
No, stay with the subject. I am talking about the terrorists arrested in London.
Actually, it's due to everything Bush has done.
Now I get it, you have superior intelligence sources beyond those in Senate, Congress and President. You knew all along there were no WMD's in Iraq, but all of these people were lying including foreign intelligence.
Along with his links to Palestinian terrorists that Saddam openly admitted to paying the families of. I believe the reward to a family of a suicide bomber was $25,000.
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